In this podcast interview with NCUSCR President Stephen Orlins, Ambassador Winston Lord discusses his new book Kissinger on Kissinger: Reflections on Diplomacy, Grand Strategy, and Leadership. Ambassador Lord talks about what it was like to work with Dr. Kissinger, his memories of Nixon’s visit to China, and what lessons from his and Dr. Kissinger’s experiences can be applied to today’s competitive relationship with China. On June 11, 2019, the National Committee hosted a book talk with Ambassador Lord in New York City.